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I still find it shocking that i've seen more wild racoons in seattle than i did growing up in idaho.

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daystars
Mar. 23rd, 2009 05:52 am (UTC)
I've got raccoons in my backyard occasionally.
tiff_seattle
Mar. 23rd, 2009 06:13 am (UTC)
i saw one on 3rd avenue in front of macy's once :)
wbyonder
Mar. 23rd, 2009 06:40 am (UTC)
Little bandits are everywhere.
taitumhaze
Mar. 23rd, 2009 06:51 am (UTC)
Would they really be wild or feral? When I think "wild" I think of actual wilderness. I don't really associate Seattle with wilderness (but then when I was there I stayed primarily downtown). If they're the ones just digging through rubbish cans for their primary form of survival I'd just call them feral.
staxxy
Mar. 23rd, 2009 10:26 am (UTC)
we have both wild and feral. Closer to downtown, they are mostly feral, but just outside of downtown we have a few large parks that are wilderness areas (one in Magnolia, one near the U-district on the back side of Capital Hill, one just to the South of downtown on Beacon Hill, one in West Seattle, one on the NorthWest end of Seattle, several around the greater King County area...

We also get cougar, bears, and deer 'in city' on occasion. It is far more rare, but it *does* happen.
pandorasfox
Mar. 23rd, 2009 03:21 pm (UTC)
pssst.....they're all wild. see other comments.
staxxy
Mar. 23rd, 2009 06:18 pm (UTC)
well yeah *technically*... but there are some *tame* ones running around too. I don't recommend anyone try to be all friendly with them though (rabies, ya know).
pandorasfox
Mar. 23rd, 2009 07:26 pm (UTC)
no, not *technically*. they're wild. period.

they are not *tame*. they have simply lost some of their fear of people which is dangerous to people and to themselves. it's the sort of situation you always see in horrible stories in the news.

my mother did wildlife rehabilitation for most of my life, several abandoned raccoons were raised in my house. they're never *tame*, but can be socialized and handled if done from a VERY early age. even then they are not friendly like pets and will retain all of their *wild* characteristics.
staxxy
Mar. 23rd, 2009 07:36 pm (UTC)
ah, then I was misunderstanding what "tame" really was. I was under the impression the impression that being socialized and safe around people meant tame and that going further than that would be "domestication". So am I correct in my thinking (newly revised thinking, that is) that "domesticated" would actually take *generations* to achieve?
pandorasfox
Mar. 23rd, 2009 08:09 pm (UTC)
yep, that's exactly right. domestication is a process. hence why things like tigers are never domesticated, just *tamed*.

we have species that are domesticated. house cats, dogs, pigs, horses, etc. like you know how some breeds of cats are referred to as domestic?


pandorasfox
Mar. 23rd, 2009 01:57 pm (UTC)
feral suggests that they were once domesticated, which raccoons are not. they're all wild.
taitumhaze
Mar. 23rd, 2009 02:18 pm (UTC)
Feral means the animal has never been domesticated-- in the sense of cats it's that they had no human interaction at all from birth. Or that's how my vet explained it to me when I tried to get the really nice stray cat in my neighborhood fixed- they said they only do it for free if she were feral, but because she was once domesticated they see her as adoptable. I did hear that some feral cats can be domesticated but it takes a lot of time and patience.
pandorasfox
Mar. 23rd, 2009 02:31 pm (UTC)
nope. that's simply wild.

from wiki: A feral organism is one that has escaped from domestication and returned, partly or wholly, to its wild state.

it's used to describe animals or specific species that were once domesticated but have returned to the wild.

examples: feral hogs, feral dogs, feral cats

and in the sense of cats, that's correct. cats as a species are domesticated and one that has never been handled is indeed feral. this same logic does not apply to raccoons.

you've just sort of smushed the two definitions together.

fetishnun
Mar. 23rd, 2009 01:59 pm (UTC)
I always thought it was weird myself.

I grew up on 6= acres of woods with a chicken pen - I had seen raccoon tracks but never a raccoon.... until I moved to Seattle.
poh
Mar. 23rd, 2009 03:29 pm (UTC)
And they're bold little shits too!
goredtorso
Mar. 23rd, 2009 04:48 pm (UTC)
Raccoons have adapted well to urban and suburban environments. Combine that with access to food and water, and the environment can maintain a much higher population of raccoons than a rural area.

Plus, they better be used to humans if they want to be out-and-about in the city.
unholypassion
Mar. 23rd, 2009 08:31 pm (UTC)
They sometimes travel through the sewers, and the city has a lot of garabage and food scraps. I see more here in Everett, than I did growing up with acreage and woods.
demon667
Mar. 24th, 2009 12:07 am (UTC)
I threw a battery at one once because it was chasing a cat. The fucker actually caught it, and tossed it aside. Creepy.
unholypassion
Mar. 24th, 2009 12:15 am (UTC)
Oh yeah, they have great dexterity!
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