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Wednesday issues

Ok, if you're not from Seattle, this really doesn't apply to you, BUT for the Seagothium who are out there, what do we need to do to get you to come back on Wednesdays? Shawna (the owner) is insisting it's the music, and I want you guys to sound off. Leave it annomausly, leave it signed, just please, PLEASE let me know.

As I've been told either we support it, or they'll change it. And I'd hate to lose my favorite night to DJ....:(

Thanks for your time.


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Jun. 28th, 2003 03:19 am (UTC)
What sort of numbers does Shawna want to see? Rough number crunching shows similar averages for both the last six months and the last month. How are the other clubs faring? What things are the clubs/nights (aside from the weekends, of course) that are pulling better numbers doing?

I know that, at Grind, when we do a special event, our numbers go up... I don't know if it's the event, or the advertising push, but either way...

If there's something I can do to help, please let me know... I *really* enjoy Wednesdays!
Jun. 28th, 2003 12:02 pm (UTC)
Re: Numbers...
I have no idea. All she said is that wednesday use to be the busiest week night but now it's not. And she's not sure why, and my only real ideas are well, Tuesday, 1$ cover and wells. Monday doesn't get that many folks, and I know that it's also damn hot out and folks are either working hard or unemployeed. I just don't know...:\
Jun. 28th, 2003 04:36 am (UTC)
I would *love* to...
But, I have no transportaion, or baby sitter, or place to crash... I miss clubbing so much, it hurts!
Jun. 28th, 2003 04:45 am (UTC)
You already know why I'm not there more often. Tacoma is far away when ya ain't got no car.
Jun. 29th, 2003 03:34 am (UTC)
I also live in tacoma, but I can not make it even close to every week. *sigh*
Jun. 28th, 2003 04:57 am (UTC)
I used to go almost every Weds. to meet up with an extended group of friends. Then I became disabled, and just stopped going out anywhere as much, so I'm kinda out of the loop re: larger trends. Take my observations with a grain of salt.

This group used to go to the Juju first, but people stopped liking hitting the scotch there because it became too loud to talk. The volume of the music there went up, I think.

At the beginning of this year, I started to feel isolated. People weren't calling me as much or asking me to go to social events, or even returning my phone calls. I wondered what happened, so I checked in with a few friends to see if we were okay.

It turns out that many, many of this group of friends were hibernating. They were overwhelmed, depressed, or just trying to figure out life. Why this synchronicity? I have no idea. I see people starting to come out of it, but they don't necessarily have the same patterns as when they went into that phase.

On a personal level, I'd like to start going again once I can listen to music again without feeling sad. But right now I'm mostly wheelchair-dependent, so until I get a scooter, I'm also dependent on getting help going to the club.
Jun. 28th, 2003 06:04 pm (UTC)
That is *exactly* what happened with me and my friends!
Only some stayed away, not just from me, but from eveyone. :o(

I don't have transportation either, so I felt like maybe it was me, being too dependamt of a friend. Your post has made me think that it might not be personal, just the times, or our age, or something.... who knows.
Jun. 28th, 2003 05:46 am (UTC)
O.K., since you asked...
I'll give it to you straight. Sorry
for the criticism... I hope you can
take this as it's meant, a desperate
shot at keeping Wednesdays GOTH!!!

I have issues with the music sometimes.

I love the old standards, but sometimes...
some of that stuff is too tired. I could
go through a playlist piece by piece and
explain why, sometime.

This doesn't mean that I think Wednesdays
should turn into yet another night of frantic
clubmusic (though there's nothing wrong with
that elsewhere or on another night) or buttrock
or Anything New Just To Be New. No. Wednesdays
should stay Goth. But you need new material, and
it needs to be presented without apology, ASAP.

Also, yes, people want to dance. But this does not
mean add more hyper "dance music" --- it means use
more Goth music which is danceable. Again, I
could go through a list of songs and explain which
ones work for dancing and which ones do not.

I know, I have my own prejudices about certain songs.
I don't understand the appeal of clunky songs which are
considered "Goth" simply because they have some reference
to eeeeeevil in them, or because they're from a cartoon
people think is "spooky" ("This is Hallowe'en") or trendy.
I groan when I hear these played. To me, they're tired
and undanceable and they don't present images I want to
connect with when I'm dancing. I'm not really into irony,
cartoons, or identifying with campy "evil." To me, Goth is
about beauty, loss, passion, and hope... and to be danceable
it has to have structure and beat going on. I want to dance.

My advice would be to pull Robin aside (Wordy Bird on the
board) and ask him for some recommendations. He's always
finding new music which would be great at the club, and
he's always been willing to bring it in! Let him. He's
a very loyal Vogue patron, too: he drinks, he dances.
I believe this would help tremendously to save Wednesday nights.

I hope you can take this as it's given: I want Wednesdays
to be revitalized with you spinning! I want Wednesdays to
stay Goth. But you're going to have to compete with the Merc,
and you're going to have to bring back people who want to DANCE
to Goth music and hear some variety, new stuff, and surprises.

Jun. 28th, 2003 01:30 pm (UTC)
Re: O.K., since you asked...
I'm pretty much with Ivy on this one. I know the standards are sometimes the only thing that drags people out on the dance floor, but you can only hear Peter Murphy so many times. Since you're competing with the Mercury that night, perhaps you could mix in a few more 80's new wave, that still qualifies as "gothy". I like Wednesday nights too, it used to be my best night for cardiovascular exercise, as the dance floor isn't nearly as crowded as the weekend and the music's generally been a mix somewhere inbetween the way fast industrial and the depressing dirgy undanceable "goth" music. I've definitely noticed numbers dropping off for sure. But other non-weekend nights at other clubs (like Tuesdays at Merc) have been pretty dead too. In my halfassed I'm just waking up and sitting around being stinky opinion, I could go for some more eighties music and less Peter Murphy, Wolfsheim, VNV nation, etc. I'm not real big on ambient formless goth music. Hard to follow and do the angry divorcee too. I figure if you could sleep to it, it's probably not club fare until the end of the night when you're trying to get people to mosey up and out after last call.

Oh, I also used to manage a club, not a dance club per se, well it was a strip club and they had rigid regulations on what kind of beat had to keep going during certain times. After 10, there had to be some kind of flow or the owners would yell at me to yell at the dj and yell at the dancers making requests for "pretty" music or "harsh" music. I hated to admit it, but it actually seemed to make a difference in the amount of money being spent and I know a lot of regulars at the Vogue are on someone's "list" so money needs to be made on the bar. When the music's flowing, so is the alcohol. One of the reasons I come out around 11 or midnight is it seems like that when "flow" seems to start at the Vogue. Before then, I hear a lot of "depressing" music. I know it's goth, but if it just makes me want to curl up and languish around on the couch, my motivation for being "out" dwindles and Seattle people aren't big late night folks unfortunately, so picking up the music earlier than normal in the evening might help. Lately I've noticed that even on the weekends people are taking off between midnight and one, which kind of baffles me.

Anyways, I hope I didn't piss you off. I know you love being a dj so criticism might be a little hard to ask for and take.

I'll still show up regardless. The goth clubs are one of the very few places where I can go and dance and not have some frat boy trying to hump my leg while I'm doing it. So I appreciate the Vogue, and like it better than the Mercury just on general principles, and would like to see Wednesday nights flourish.

Jun. 28th, 2003 07:32 am (UTC)
For me, it takes it finally being summer, with my kids going to their dad's house (today!), and Hardrock having a job with decent hours. IOW, I should be making an appearance finally :-)
Jun. 28th, 2003 09:24 am (UTC)
For me, I can't go out on weeknights period; I rarely even make it out on Fridays anymore. I have never been a huge fan of Wednesday nights because I am more into Industrial/fetish anyhow.

Having said that, I feel that the club scene slacks off quite a bit in the summer anyway and because of the heat, I personally don't enjoy sweating my makeup off. If they are looking at numbers I feel like they should be averaging them over a period of months, but I think you asking for input is a good thing and I hope the regulars are able to give you some insight on the music.

I love the music you play, when I had to move back to CA I used your playlists to download music, but I have overheard such things as "always the same songs", etc from people. I personally enjoy the old favs, then again I don't go out but maybe once a month or so, so it doesn't affect me in that way. Besides, it's not like there is TONS of music to choose from.

My $.02, and not really what you were looking for specifically, but yanno. >^.^
Jun. 28th, 2003 10:00 am (UTC)
i like going on wednesday nights but my work schedule switched and i have to get up at 5am.

i don't go to any of the clubs often enough for the music to get "old and tired" to me. so i always enjoy your sets. i also like the fact that you play people's requests. :)

and to be quite honest, if there is one thing keeping me from the vogue, it's the fact that the booze there sucks. the drinks are weak or nasty or too expensive for the minimal amount of booze.

the lack of dress code standards is also annoying. i wonder if they noticed a drop on fetish night because of this...
Jun. 28th, 2003 10:59 am (UTC)
The Vogue could increase attendance on ALL
dance nights by improving the ventillation.
It needs... fans which suck well. Heheheh.
Jun. 28th, 2003 11:45 am (UTC)
I wonder if more eyecatchy flyers might not help this as well. more than once in the last year I have told someone that "yes, they are still doing a lovely goth night on wednesdays at the Vogue".

Conversely, I think that doing special event/evenings might not be a bed idea either.

The economy is depressed right now, Shawna knows that. How do your numbers compare with other nights of the week? How do they compare to Ogre's Tuesdays?

I emailed my number to you. call me for more ideas and information... I have some thoughts you may benefit from...

Jun. 28th, 2003 01:00 pm (UTC)
Re: hmmm
I agree with Stax as far as flyers go. I also like Ivy's idea about changing up the music selection a bit. Another thing that I think would help is casting a wider net. For instance, I know for a fact that Tablet isn't getting music listings of any kind from the Vogue unless the performers submit them. Stuff like this tends to slip people's minds unless they're reminded.

Also, it's worth thinking about word of mouth. I don't know the secret to this one--marketing executives the world over have mad scientists slaving in secret underground labs trying to figure it out--but it's the biggest business generator out there. Whatever you come up with to revitalize Wednesdays, make sure people know about it.

As to why I don't go...I can't. I'm sorry. I can't do ANYTHING this summer except work at my job, work on my writing, and work out on occasion. I get up at 5:30 in the morning to write. Going out at night is just going to be severely curtailed until I start school at least--not because I'll have more free time, but I can adjust my sleep schedule to include the occasional night out.
Re: hmmm - staxxy - Jun. 28th, 2003 07:13 pm (UTC) - Expand
Jun. 28th, 2003 12:54 pm (UTC)
Price of drinks need to lower a bit. It's one of the main reasons I just go to the Merc these days.
Jun. 28th, 2003 01:03 pm (UTC)
Seems like a lot of excuses and not a lot of suggestions.

How about some questions.

Would a lower cover or free cover before ten do it?

Would you guys be willing to buy a drink in place of cover before ten like at the Merc?

Do you guys miss the candles?

Is there something specific you aren't hearing that you would like to?

Jun. 28th, 2003 01:36 pm (UTC)
Oh yeah... the candles. The candles were cool. But I like fire... fire!! fire!! fire!!

I do hear a lot of complaints about the strength of the drinks, but since I don't drink I don't know if it's just a bunch of whining drivel. I think people wander over to the Merc to get their drink on.
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Jun. 28th, 2003 02:28 pm (UTC)
I usually dont go out on wednesdays becasue everyone i know ends up at the merc. So I decide between seeing everyone I know and dancing a little on 80's night or seeing not many people I know and dancing all night at the vogue.

I think that I agree that some newer and/or slower music would help the situation. On goth night I dont like to dance to the fast stuff I want to come out and get my depressed over-drama on and hear slow and grindy all night long.

speacial events would help a lot too and lower admission prices before ten always helps.

the 50 cent drink difference isnt a big deal to me really

so I think that making the night a full on goth no exceptions night with a special for early entrence and a sepecial event or two to kick things off would really make the night go

if all that were going on I wouldnt stop going to the merc but I would spend half the night there and then half the night at the vogue definitly

I think you are doing a great job with the music - but I would like less fast type stuff on wednesdays =)

oh yeah and maybe some spoecial decorations to get people in the mood would help too. A few well placed black mesh-y type curtains can make all the difference and its cheap too!

love you very much you kick ass you know!!

Jun. 28th, 2003 05:34 pm (UTC)
The music always kicks ass... the trouble I have is money.
Jun. 28th, 2003 10:52 pm (UTC)
Personally my suggestions to help the night out would be:
1. drink specials early on. Maybe $1-$2 wells til 10pm or 10:30pm. I don't really know about the scene here, but where I came from, everyone was a lush and cheap drinks would be a major incentive to get people in early on. And once they are there, decent chance of them staying.

2. I don't think that the music should get harder as the night goes later. There are plenty of other nights that have that faster music. But there are songs that have a faster tempo. ASF's "I walk the line", Numbs "Blood" and older industrial would not be a bad thing.

3. Maybe look at other playlists in different parts of the country for stuff to think about playing. I personally love the gothier nights and you are a great DJ but there may be songs out there that you haven't thought about playing.

4. Maybe mix old stuff floor packers in with new stuff that people will dance to. It will get them used to the new songs and they may stay on the dancefloor and dance to the new stuff.

5. Better ventilation/air conditioning would be nice as would a wooden dancefloor. I'm sure that those are just distant hopes but people might dance more if they aren't so hot. That would be Shawna's decision though.

Well, that's all of the suggestions I have for now. My brain is fried from being outside all day.
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